Tweets from Open Group Amsterdam conference

I managed to grab the chance to jump over to the Open Group Enterprise Architecture Practitioners conference in Amsterdam earlier this week, to take part in the ‘TOGAF Camp’ ‘unconference’ session. As usual, a lot going on, so I’ve collated a fairly large selection of the Tweets that I caught as they were passed around over the three days of the conference (though most are from the Tuesday and Wednesday, the second and third days).

I’ve tried to sort them into speaker-order, with gaps between as appropriate: I hope that makes this rather long list more readable, anyway. Many thanks to those who Tweeted, of course, otherwise we wouldn’t have this information at all.

The list starts after the ‘Read more…’ link: hope you find it useful?

  • theopengroup: #TOGAF Camp: Votes:11 Enterprise Interoperability; 8 EA is dead long live EA; 12 Eval of Use of TOGAF in real practice; 8 EA Toolsets #ogams <mine was ‘EA toolsets
  • theopengroup: RT @togaftm: TOGAF Camp: TOGAF toolsets: We should not assume that EA ends with TOGAF. We need interoperability with other frameworks #ogams <yes!!
  • theopengroup: RT @bderidder: John Sherwoord “Confidentiality has a time dimension: how long does it have to be confidential” #ogams #infosecRT @togaftm: The Tuesday plenary kicks off with Dave van Gelder, Capgemini,”The Quest for Business Architecture” #ogams
  • togaftm: Business Architecture: Learning by Doing, Harry Hendrickx, CTO, HP, follows at 10:05-10:45 Tues #ogams
  • wilm: Quick post on Bare Bones TOGAF, from #ogams #jiscfsd

  • edocastro: RT @togaftm: Arjan Visser: Service Orientation: some people think its to do with technology, I think its more to do with maturity #ogams
  • bderidder: Almost no hands up in the audience when asked “Who knows what business architecture is?” #ogams <yikes… we’ve a long way to go to get to a real #entarch, it seems…
  • theopengroup: Dave van Gelder: Speaking as to why it’s so hard to give a definition for business architecture + lessons learned & model developed #ogams
  • bderidder: Dave van Gelder talks about machine-thinking versus systems-thinking in the Business Architecture working group #ogams
  • wimdrossaert: Dave van Gelder referenced “Devdutt Pattanaik: East vs. West — the myths that mystify” [TED video] #ogams
  • bderidder: Got the impression that Business Architecture WG is sometimes wasting time on discussing words. What about a business ontology? #ogams
  • theopengroup: Dave van Gelder: “We know business is in embrace of a paradigm shift.” World of IT itself is changing dramatically #ogams
  • theopengroup: van Gelder: “Not easy to create a definition b/c whatever def. you make, you still have misunderstandings as to what that def. means” #ogams
  • wimdrossaert: Dave van Gelder “trying to avoid the word architecture in discussions around business architecture” #ogams
  • bderidder: @theopengroup definitions that merely play with words in an attempt to invoke a common emotion in the reader, are mostly useless #ogams
  • bderidder: Dave van Gelder admits to TOGAF’s real definition of “business architecture”: “everything outside IT, so the context”. #ogams
  • the_passerby: Business architecture is very much inherent in the enterprise architecture. It informs the entire philosophy #EA #ogams
  • the_passerby: It’s unfortunate that enterprise architectures we’ve seen over the years mainly seem to focus on IS/IT #ea #ogams #ba
  • the_passerby: Let’s put enterprise at the heart of enterprise architecture #ea #enterprise_architecture #ogams
  • wimdrossaert: Business Architecture work group: #ogams
  • togaftm: Dave van Gelder: All members can participate in the Business Architecture WG #ogams
  • bderidder: The Business Architecture presentation shows to me that The Open Group and TOGAF still have a very long way to go. #ogams #ea
  • theopengroup: van Gelder: drawing parallels between Esperanto not catching on as global common language and the (un)common language of architecture #ogams
  • pauljansen: Dave van Gelder: “We know business is in embrace of a paradigm shift.” World of IT itself is changing dramatically #ogams RT @theopengroup
  • APVisser: Business architecture is about combining EA with value & performance mgmt and business & process modeling #ogams #saplead
  • theopengroup: Hornford: TOGAF today is monolithic; in the future, imagine #TOGAF modular, clear separation between core method & guidance #ogams <yes…!! – yes please!!!
  • bderidder: Next formal update to TOGAF 9 in Q2 2011 if schedule is met. #ogams #togaf
  • bderidder: Dave Hornford “Today’s monolithic and hard to manage TOGAF will evolve to a modular and very adaptable approach in the future” #ogams #togaf
  • mdungen: Our presentation on the #ogams.
  • togaftm: Harry Hendrickx briefing the Nobel Prize experiment, a demonstration of business architecture #ogams
  • wimdrossaert: Harry Hendrickx “communicating requirements is problematic and causes loss of essential properties in systems” #ogams
  • theopengroup: Hendricksx: Sharing experiment on Nobel Prize experiment on business architecture #ogams
  • theopengroup: RT @wimdrossaert: Harry Hendrickx “communicating requirements is problematic and causes loss of essential properties in systems” #ogams
  • mdungen: RT @togaftm: Using TOGAF™ 9 Meta Model to Measure Value in an Enterprise Architecture, in the TOGAF track at 4pm #ogams
  • theopengroup: Hendrickx: Selective perception causes comm. problems. How to overcome? Forget existing modeling languages, tell about properties #ogams
  • theopengroup: Hendrickx: Expected result of experiment: list of shared concepts in natural language easy to explain to all disciplines/stakeholders #ogams
  • blomr: way of working and setting up experiments takes a lot of the presenters time. Curious to see examples and results + lessons learned. #ogams
  • theopengroup: Hendrickx: Lessons learned: controlled language guides the analysis by proposing a view on the information; natural language was key #ogams
  • theopengroup: Hendrickx: Lessons learned: Words less important than meanings; process of requirements gathering is as important as rules of commun. #ogams
  • wimdrossaert: Hendrickx: “words were less important than meanings” isn’t that the problem most of the time? #ogams
  • theopengroup: Hendrickx: Natural language is adequate for explaining properties, do not need difficult constructs, can capture intent #ogams
  • theopengroup: Hendrickx: Organization of an effective process is key. Allow stakeholders to bring own controlled vocabularies #ogams
  • theopengroup: Hendrickx answering question: Language can be defined but organizations need to develop their own consistent languages #ogams
  • theopengroup: Henry Franken, Chair of ArchiMate Forum: ArchiMate is the ideal candidate to deliver #TOGAF enterprise architecture models #ogams
  • togaftm: Henry Franken: ArchiMate adds value to TOGAF, together you can get enterprise architecture working within your company #ogams
  • togaftm: Henry Franken: ArchiMate: a graphical modelling language for describing EA, covers business,application and technology layers #ogams
  • theopengroup: Franken: ArchiMate Forum contributes to the convergence needed to further the enterprise architecture discipline #ogams #entarch
  • togaftm: Henry Franken: ArchiMate deliverables to date: 1.0 Specification, draft certification criteria, 4 white papers #ogams
  • wimdrossaert: ArchiMate Extension for Modeling and Managing Motivation, Principles andRequirements in TOGAF #ogams #archimate
  • theopengroup: Next up: Jean-Christophe Mache, Head of Functional Architecture, BNP Paribas: Building & Deploying an EA Framework in a Banking Group #ogams
  • togaftm: The ArchiMate White Papers available from #ogams
  • RealLouw: It seems like RealIRM is deliberately been pushed out of ArchiMate participation despite trying very hard to contribute- sad to see #ogams
  • stevenunn: ArchiMate (R) is a modeling language for doing EA, whereas UML is a modeling language for  software engineering – Henry Franken at #ogams
  • theopengroup: RT @stevenunn: ArchiMate: a modeling language for doing EA, whereas UML is a modeling language for  software engineering: Franken @ #ogams
  • eacorg: BNP Paribas: decentralized business governance style hampers EA development from group perspective #ogams
  • bvanzomeren: paradox: develop your own version of TOGAF, in which you adopt the principle of “no customization” #ogams
  • theopengroup: Jean-Christophe Mache: “The more you adopt EAGLE framework, the more mature your organization in #entarch” #ogams
  • eacorg: BNP Paribas: TOGAF based framework developed iterative together with important and mature stakeholders from different departments #ogams
  • Cybersal: @blomr re modularising TOGAF: I always wondered why they didn’t do this in version 9
  • eacorg: BNP: KSF – deployment strategy, understand comp.policies, marketing for the framework, start simple and  -carrot and stick: have both #ogams
  • theopengroup: Mache: Key success factors: having deployment strategy, taking context & timing into account, understanding policy of the enterprise #ogams
  • theopengroup: Mache: Expectation not for models/rules/frameworks; what is wanted is answers to questions related to the control of the Info System #ogams
  • bderidder: “The business understood necessity of #entarch but doesn’t expect or want models, rules or frameworks” from BNP Paribas case study #ogams
  • wimdrossaert: Mache: “we don’t try to measure the value of EA for the company, it’s a dead end” #ogams
  • eacorg: BNP: Decision preparation process is more important than decision making in a committee, decisions are made before the session #ogams
  • theopengroup: Mache answering questions: Recognize the culture of organization (operate within the way things are done), don’t measure everything #ogams
  • theopengroup: Conference website, where you can download materials from this week’s presentations: #ogams
  • theopengroup: Right now: Johan Schoeman delivering spotlight on EMMMv Industry Forum, vertical Forum for the mining industry #ogams
  • wilm: Why does #ea matter to mining? “Because we kill too many people in this industry” #ogams <v.good example of the ‘WHY’ for #entarch..
  • theopengroup: Chris Forde of The Open Group, presenting on Transforming EA into Business Discipline #ogams
  • wimdrossaert: Forde: “how do we move EA out of IT? it should not be there to begin with”  #ogams <yes!!
  • theopengroup: Chris Forde of OG: I choose to interpret this theme as “How do we move EA out of IT?” Answer: It should not be there to begin with” #ogams
  • togaftm: Chris Forde: Closing gaps has to be done in the context of the vision of where you are going #ogams
  • theopengroup: Forde: Simplify as much as you can, but recognize that complexity and risk exist and must be managed #ogams <strong agree
  • eacorg: Forde: Interoperable capabilities are of value to a business #ogams
  • eacorg: Forde: If “it” (EA) is relevant and effective it does not matter where “it” is located #ogams
  • theopengroup: Forde: EA is already a biz discipline. If it’s an issue it’s because it’s placed somewhere where operationally it’s not recognized #ogams
  • itworks: @wimdrossaert The problem in many companies is that if IT doesn’t start #EA, there is no EA effort at all. But should be joint effort #ogams
  • mikerollings: Forde: EA already a biz discipline< In practice, practitioner mindset is key. Sadly most are IT & not biz focused @theopengroup #ogams

  • togaftm: RT @stevenunn: ArchiMate(R): a modeling language for doing EA, whereas UML is a modeling language for  software engineering – Franken #ogams
  • theopengroup: Heading into tracks: Business Architecture, Business Transformation, SOA. Then member meetings and Open Sessions for TTF and APS  #ogams
  • bderidder: The SOA/TOGAF tutorial has started at #ogams, speakers are Ed Harrington and Dave Hornford
  • bderidder: Dave Hornford at #ogams “Typical SOA slides do not carry any message or value for the business”
  • bderidder: Dave Hornford at #ogams “Models are for architects and not useful for any other human being” <important reminder for #entarch #bizarch etc
  • wimdrossaert: Hornford : models are for architects, views are for other people  #ogams
  • harmenberg: @wimdrossaert according to the definition of views and models, views are for all stakeholders, including architects #ogams
  • josephg5: Modelling for the sake of itself wasting #entarch| RT @wimdrossaert: Hornford : models are for architects, views are for other people #ogams
  • bderidder: Dave Hornford stresses again the fact that the roadmap (the transitions) is far more important than the actual phase B/C/D content #ogams
  • CH_FEDARCH: Biz Transformation Track: Presenters (Weber/Foitzik) act as CEO/COO in “board meeting” of a virtual insurance company #ogams
  • CH_FEDARCH: Biz Transformation w/ #TOGAF: It’s best practice, specific techniques, as capability-based planning, helps transforming businesses #ogams
  • CH_FEDARCH: Biz Transformation Track at #ogams: Interactive presentation, including “live demo” of alfabet’s planning IT with case study views
  • CH_FEDARCH: Biz Transformation Track – Weber: EA folks “proving” value to execs when able to quickly provide info for “informed decision making” #ogams
  • blomr: Business transformation track at #ogams. Made up, but good case and tool demo. Someone asks the usual question: How to get the data?
  • theopengroup: APS Forum: In many organizations, APS systems are mission critical: w/out them the daily operations become unprofitable/impossible #ogams
  • theopengroup: APS Forum mission: stimulate the adoption of APS solutions by clearly positioning APS w/in organizations’ processes & IT landscape #ogams
  • wimdrossaert: Don Kavanagh on  Implementing SOA started at  #ogams
  • wimdrossaert: Kavanaugh: “Getting the benefits from SOA by having the RIGHT SOA services at the RIGHT time”  #ogams
  • ARSzakal: #ogams Should governments manage digital identities or should some sort of commercial entity hold that responsibility?
  • bderidder: @ARSzakal which presentation mentioned this digital identity question? #ogams
  • ARSzakal: @rtolido #ogams Nothing more than Enterprise Architecture re-branded.
  • omkhar: @ARSzakal: Shld govs manage digital id or should some sort of commercial entity hold that resp? // absolute trust in Gov ?! Hmm… #ogams
  • bderidder: @ARSzakal it’s about relationships, should the gov’t manage my relationship with a commercial entity or vice versa? #ogams
  • rtolido: @ARSzakal Mhh… might be a case of hammer and nail, being on an Enterprise Architecture conference and all…? #ogams
  • CH_FEDARCH: Now in Biz Arch Track – IBMs Robert Bratulic on stage to cover ‘Business Architecture Dimensions/Domains’ #ogams
  • mdungen: RT @APVisser: Robert Bratulic: if business doesn’t understand the business architecture it is not an architecture. #ogams
  • Technodad: Trusted Technology Forum session starting at #ogams: Establishing a framework for managing security risks in acquisition supply chains.
  • rkroese: RT @wimdrossaert: #ArchiMate Extension for modeling / managing Motivation, Principles and Reqmts in #TOGAF
  • wimdrossaert: ArchiMate Extension for Modeling TOGAF’s Implementation and Migration phases #ogams
  • wilm: Just learned about #togaf extensions to #archimate. Would be good to have those in @architool, I think. #ogams
  • bderidder: Eric Roovers from IDS Scheer is starting his talk “Integrating Process Analysis and Service Architecture” at #ogams
  • bderidder: Eric Roovers “Processes are mechanisms of transformations, not always sequential, sometimes ad-hoc” beats the BPMN/BPEL definition #ogams
  • APVisser: To extend Togaf with business architecture which make sense to the business we have to go beyond capabilities by adding resources…. #ogams
  • bderidder: Don’t most SOA methods kind of ignore (or over-simplify) processes whose orchestration is only known in hindsight? #ogams #soa
  • APVisser: Putting resources to your capabilities will make a competency. It is not about the possibilites. It is about putting them to practice #ogams
  • bderidder: Eric Roovers “Business analysts often model process sequences where there are no sequences at all” (see also my previous tweet) #ogams
  • ericroovers: Good discussions after Tuesday’s presentation about ways to utilize business analysis models for service architecting #ogams
  • togaftm: Free TOGAF(tm) Resources: ADM Phase Reference Card Set (pdf d’load) More resources at #ogams
  • togaftm: Official TOGAF(tm) 9 template set from The Open Group (reg’n required) #ogams
  • tetradian: Thanks to all at #ogams for great conversations! 🙂 ‘Reqmts for new EA toolsets’ discussion info is on OG wiki. See you again at Stockholm?
  • theopengroup: Goedemorgen! Welcome to Day Three of The Open Group Conference in Amsterdam. // Today we go straight into tracks: #Entarch & Business Strategy; ArchiMate; #Cloud Computing; & Value Creation in the Enterprise #ogams
  • theopengroup: Sankaran Prithviraj, Principal Solution Architect, Mahindra Satyam kicking off #Cloud Track w/case study #ogams
  • theopengroup: Harmen van den Berg, Partner & Co-Founder, BiZZdesign, leading off the ArchiMate track with ArchiMate Tutorial: Adding Value to TOGAF #ogams
  • theopengroup: Len Fehskens & Walter Stahlecker of Open Group, present Value Creation in the Enterprise: Meaning & Role of Architecture & Alignment #ogams
  • theopengroup: Leading off the #Entarch & Biz Strategy Track: Marlies van Steenbergen, Principal Consultant, Entarch, Sogeti Netherlands #ogams
  • bderidder: It’s hard to pick presentations from the #ogams schedule, I’ll have to clone myself. I might do an ArchiMate-Cloud-UDEF shuffle today.
  • bderidder: For those at #ogams I can recommend Len Fehskens talk at 11h, if you haven’t seen it yet, now is your chance. #entarch
  • wilm: New post on how #ea got so far into business that it nearly lost it roots #ogams #jiscfsd
  • MichelleSupper: #ogams sitting in Archimate forum, wondering if I could use it with modaf?
  • theopengroup: Next up in #Cloud: Penelope Gordon, Cloud and Business Architect, 1Plug Corporation: Business Perspective to Buying Cloud #ogams
  • harmenberg: Now presenting in ArchiMate track at #ogams: Alexander den Hartog (Boskalis) on the use of ArchiMate at Boskalis
  • harmenberg: RT @WilJanssen: #Archimate at Boskalis: “…gives a perfect fit with our organization”. Alexander den Hartog #ogams
  • bderidder: From #ogams … very good to see that #archimate is getting an extension for migration and roadmap modeling #entarch
  • harmenberg: now presenting Evert de Vos from Tata on ArchiMate at Tata #ogams
  • harta75: Enterprise architecture must be connected to the corporate strategy. #ogams
  • mdungen: Do you “speak” Archimate? Follow the track! #ogams
  • bderidder: Consistent message about #archimate in #ogams case studies:  it gives insights, delivers overview and is a great communication vehicle
  • blomr: Thanks for joining me and for all reaction on my presentation about Strategy & Enterprise Architecture at a media group at #ogams
  • harmenberg: now presenting Henrik Jacobson from Dutch central bank on archimate and ea at #ogams
  • bderidder: Dutch National Bank “it was a nice surprise that our business could read and understand #archimate diagrams” #ogams
  • bderidder: Dutch Central Bank uses simpler “pictures” as a step stone to #archimate models, enabling management to ease into architecture #ogams
  • bderidder: Dutch Central Bank, architecture driven delivery: Quality (principles) -> Insight -> Priority -> Control (governance) #ogams
  • MichelleSupper: #ogams Alignment is important. Make sure that you include a fixed point of reference from which to measure progress and performance.
  • harta75: Impressive talk about EA and #archimate at DNB #ogams
  • theopengroup: Break’s over: Going into afternoon tracks for Value Creation in the Enterprise, #Entarch Methods & Tools, continued #Cloud #ogams
  • RT @WilJanssen: Value of enterprise architecture at #ogams. Now into practices, instead of concepts. #relief
  • bderidder: Tejpal Virid “Standardization, SOA and consistent integration are necessary before you can go into the Cloud” #ogams #cloud #soa
  • bderidder: According to Tejpal Virdi  security, privacy and robust integration capabilities are the challenges for a Cloud migration // In short, Tejpal Virdi states an effective enterprise architecture is a necessary requirement to use and support the Cloud #ogams #cloud
  • blomr: Good to see an international crowd (Dutch, German, South-African, USA and UK organizations) in the ArchiMate-forum meeting #ogams
  • ericroovers: Now reviewing ArchiMate tool certification policy at ArchiMate Forum meeting. Many documents yet to go. #ogams
  • ericroovers: ArchiMate certification policy review is done. Quick break then move on to certification criteria review. #ogams
  • APVisser: How to match the motivation extension of Archimate with the one of TOGAF 9 metamodel? Still some challenges left. #ogams
  • APVisser: What do we mean by the value of enterprise architecture? The value of applying a discipline or the value we create for the business? #ogams
  • APVisser: Experiencing a boundaryless information overFlow! #ogams
  • WilJanssen: Interesting talk on the role of architecture in building bad banks, without talking about architecture up until the conclusions. #ogams
  • bderidder: Pamela Isom maps BPaaS/SaaS/PaaS/IaaS to the ADM and turns them into enterprise continuum elements, simple but useful #ogams #cloud
  • CH_FEDARCH: Still at #ogams – following EA Methods & Tools Track this afternoon – not very surprising to those who know me…
  • CH_FEDARCH: EA Methods & Tools Track: Very interesting stuff on use of semantic wiki for architecture info platforms by Remco de Boer #ogams
  • CH_FEDARCH: EA Methods & Tools Track – de Boer: Semantic wikis can be connected in federated environments, complement formal modeling #ogams
  • CH_FEDARCH: EA Methods & Tools: Mark Paauwe now presenting alternative ways 2 visualize ‘architectural vision’ – looks unconventional & cool… #ogams
  • CH_FEDARCH: Mark Paauwe at EA Methods & Tools Track: Really ‘thought provoking’ presentation on current research work, watch out for DRAGON1  #ogams
  • theopengroup: Final tracks of the day beginning: Value Creation in the Enterprise & #Cloud (both continued); Universal Data Element Framework #ogams
  • bderidder: “This is a classic layered pattern, in the sense that one thing is layered on top of the other” … funny #ogams #togaf #patterns
  • MichelleSupper: #ogams 🙂 I’ve had a great time at the conference. Thanks to all the organisers!
  • bderidder: An entire presentation on Open Group’s Cloud Security Architecture and not a single mention of Identity 2.0, that’s scary. #ogams #identity
  • bderidder: Tip for next Open Group conference: don’t use models on a slide that are too small, no added value and just plain bad.  #ogams #powerpoint
  • bderidder: Yep, dark grey on a black background, excellent choice for a powerpoint. #powerpoint #ogams
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5 comments on “Tweets from Open Group Amsterdam conference
  1. And what general insights did you walk away with from the unconference?

  2. Tom, we’re glad you could make it this week! I enjoyed reading your tweeted comments during the course of the week, and appreciate the work you’ve done here to collect and compile all the tweets generated during that time. It makes for an interesting read… thanks!

  3. Tom G says:

    Pat – thanks for the question. 🙂

    Dunno if you’re familiar with ‘Open Space’? – see Wikipedia or the Open Space website – that was the basic model that Steve Nunn used for the TOGAF Camp ‘unconference’. It’s a really good technique, though can be a bit challenging at first for people aren’t used to it (and disappointing for would-be presenters when ‘the Law of Two Feet’ means that no-one turns up, as has happened to me once at a similar unconference elsewhere… 🙁 🙂 ).

    We had some great discussion on my topic of ‘requirements for next-generation EA toolsets’, though to be honest I was a bit disappointed: there was a very strong focus on tools to support the current generation of EA (such as IT-oriented architecture in TOGAF 9) but not much focus on exploring support for the kinds of workflows that we’re seeing in the upcoming generation of EA (such as we’re seeing in Open Group’s new and very welcome emphasis on business-oriented architecture). I posted the results to the Open Group wiki, but unfortunately that’s members-only (so even I can’t see it any more! :wrygrin: ). In essence, though, I’ll stick to the views in my previous posts on this from a couple weeks ago: we need to think wider about those broader workflows (many of them currently done on whiteboard or back-of-napkin) and how we would want toolsets to support those and link them into the formal rigour that the existing toolsets do support well.

    Outside of the ‘unconference’ part, I had a lot of really good conversations with various folks about the toolsets theme, and also the Enterprise Canvas concept – more on that later, I hope.

  4. Tom G says:

    Hi Lynn – many thanks for all your help, and apologies that we somehow didn’t manage to meet up in person (oh well, there’s always a next time… 🙂 ).

    Glad the Tweet-compilation seems useful – I always find it much easier myself to make sense of what’s going on if it’s at least sorted into chronological order.

    Will keep in touch, anyway.

  5. Tom,
    I’ve seen presentations asking and debating what business architecture is or consists of. Here is what I called a generic one page business architecture:
    Comments welcome.

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